Posts by nancee park

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Welcome Lawrence !

by Simon in

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good to see you online bud .

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37734&page=2&site=3#511186.

wish it was in happier circumstances

i have had some of strange and weird things happen (strange phone calls, and lots of other weird things, and certain "code words" used towards me), and i believe that there are certain freemasons (or other group), which has tried to use these subtle (and not-so-subtle) threats on me and my family.

(it may be connected to some of my relatives in another state, who may have abuse going on in their family, and we have had a lot of strange dealings with these relatives).. it seems to me, that i have also been wiretapped ("bugged").. certain things that i say in my house, have been repeated to me by other people outside the house.. it is very strange to experience this.. it seems that every single time i would go to the kingdom hall for a meeting, the speaker would repeat something i had said in the house earlier that day or the night before, it was freaky!.

i have seen a few other people post up on this website about being wiretapped by jw elders.. has anyone else experienced any of these things?

nancee park

Yes, with all my heart I believe it a defnite possibility by the fanatics. Most JWs are good honest law-abiding, but not those with darkness to hide.

Watchtower has a lot of darkness.

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Where are the POLICE?

by DJ in

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i just finished reading the transcript of the march, i am too overwhelmed to comment about it with a clear head.

i know that there are accusations against people.

so, where are the police?

nancee park

Jim, others, it should be apparent that the cases are still being compiled. Notice that Bill hasn't been posting a lot since the march, which could well mean he has come across some new things, is meeting with the appropriate authorities and the like. I was pleased to see the huge sign saying FBI INVESTIGATE THE WATCHTOWER and suspect it's underway. Our rights as citizens and Christians deserve Caesar's help (Romans 13:1). Let's give Bill a little time to wrap up whatever things he is having to do, including simply getting back to Kentucky and resting a little, then I'm sure he'll have some things he can share, although others may be only for the legal system.

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AJWRB supports litigation against the WTS

by Lee Elder in

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to learn more about this development visit:.

http://www.ajwrb.org/litigation.shtml.

lee

nancee park

We do not know his personal circumstances which may not have permitted the time, money and energy needed to push it as fast as it could have gone. But we can be glad AJWRB are also now formally pushing together against the tower that has already been leaning.

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Increase in Publishers for Canada

by William Penwell in

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just heard today from my parents that a member of the canadian bethel said that there is a 1% increase in publishers from last year.

they made such a big deal of it but when you consider that this increase is mostly from jdub's that have been raised in it and are now starting to publish it is not such a big deal.

i was also told that they mentioned about the dangers of the internet and also about all the lawsuites that the "apostates" are bringing against the organization.

nancee park

Most who have stayed in it have done so only because they would otherwise lose family ties -- but with the recent revelations of top-down child molestation, the secret UN ties and the like, even some of those are seeing through the so-called "annointed" Governing Body. After all, if you learned that "the boss" of the organization was going to be sued by women for molesting them as children, that's just too reprehensible! Who could blame them for leaving. Ignore the disfellowshipping. That's the re-thinking on these developments.

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Who Wrote "Thirty Years A Watchtower Slave...

by Sentinel in

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when i was recently making a list of the reference books in my personal collection, i recalled that there was this book that the witnesses were afraid of.

i was in my early twenties, and this fellow in the congregation had upset all the elders because he had read this book (thirty years a watchtower slave) and he tried to tell everyone he came across that the witnesses were wrong.

there was absolutely nothing wrong with this man.

nancee park

Schnell became a Zone Overseer for the WTS, serving in Germany and the United States. Why is his book so feared? One main reason is that he notes that Rutherford had Bethelites spying on himself (and others) in Bethel at work, evenings after work and even while he did Circuit work.

He tells of Rutherford taking all power away from the Russell-appointed board of directors (Gov Body) as well as Russell-era elders, which caused many congregations to wither and also many to completely die. Then Russell gained new members by sending everyone who was left out canavassing for newcomers door-to-door.

One favorite Rutherford tactic was to do something causing public ire such as teaching flag salutes are worship rather than for showing respect so that his own members drew public anger followed later by publicity from himself and some other media, which in turn made the organization look persecuted, generating more internal cohesion and sentiment by those of the public who did not know what he had engineered.

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Elders are subject to the authority of the WTS

by Elsewhere in

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there was a thread that was asking for proof that the wts demands that the elders do what they say.

i found the following on quotes' site:*** pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock (1991) p.100-101 ***.

[click here to learn more about this lesser known book].

nancee park

Elders are definitely appointed, disciplined and replaced by and or on behalf of the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society and or any one or several of its sister/front corporations or appointees. Therefore the WT body is responsible for their actions. Ultimate control of the kingdom hall buildings and lands also resides with WT Governing Body.

Edited by - nancee park on 29 September 2002 14:5:15

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info on the march tomorrow............

by happy2b in

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could someone please tell me the details on the march tomorrow?

will it be covered by the media?

what channel should i watch?

nancee park

The announcements at the actual march will also be most newsworthy.

Such strange silence from CBS.... Maybe NBC should look at that closer too.

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Hallowweeeeeen!!!!!!!!!

by nativenyr23 in

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hey guys!!!!

it's been a while since i've been able to check this site as my computer at home has been on the blink.

in any case, as i mentioned at previous apostofests, i'm thinking about having an aposto-halloween party!!!

nancee park

Contrary to Watchtower teachings, Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless pranks coming from Ireland where maybe or maybe not taken from pagans even as wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Also the WTS wrongly calls "compromises" holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Paul at Colossians 2:16 says "let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths."

Watchtower also calls a cross a repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in it as a symbol of resurrection over death. (Ga 6:14, 1Cor 1:17-18) They say it was a stake but human remains and inscriptions show archaeologists the stauros was a cross not stake, Dr F Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but in hours if on outstretched cross per Lu 23:44 and Mat 27:45-6, and the word stauros can mean not just stake but cross.

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Hallowweeeeeen!!!!!!!!!

by nativenyr23 in

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hey guys!!!!

it's been a while since i've been able to check this site as my computer at home has been on the blink.

in any case, as i mentioned at previous apostofests, i'm thinking about having an aposto-halloween party!!!

nancee park

See the part in red below on Halloween's real origins:

THE REAL TRUTH TO BEAR WITNESS ABOUT: There are many nice Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) but the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society (WTS) over them, and most local WTS elders cover up child molestation and let JW pedophiles go door-to-door as proved at http://www.silentlambs.org or phone toll-free 1 877-WT-ABUSE, misteach about things such as the holidays etc.

Beginning with the first concern, here's a UK WTS elder handcuffed for prison because a pedophile:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2123000/2123546.stm WTS leaks state that over 23,000 JW pedophiles are on file at WTS Bethel
headquarters in Brooklyn, New York (USA), most unrevealed to police despite Romans 13:1. That at least one pedophile was on the Governing Body of the WTS in the 1980s if not now also is documented: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5466&site=3 Convicted Ministerial Servant/Elder pedophiles include Gregory Blackstone at Hollis, New Hampshire; Larry Baker at Augusta, Maine; Tim Gardner at Richmond, Missouri; Manual Beliz at Othello, WA; others in the UK, France, Norway, Australia etc

WTS Awake and Watchtower magazines and elders say God opposes the UN but, until exposed, in 1991-2001 the WTS was secretly a formal U.N. associate not just to use the U.N.'s library as proved if you read the Nov 22, 1998 Awake magazine and use Search at the top at jehovahs-witness.org with "UN" or "U.N." Besides, the U.N. does not even require a group to become an official associate group in order to get a card to use its library! After this was publicized on the internet the official U.N. ties were cut but not all unofficial ties: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=34436&site=3 Christ said families would be split by those doing right and those doing wrong but WTS has formal Judicial Committees destroying families via numerous formal renderings of disfellowshipment (severe shunning). 1 Cor 6:1 only says judge "trivial" things as in business, James 2:4-13 calls judging harmful, and Paul says the "majority" (2 Cor 2:6) followed his advice to shun a wrongdoer, meaning a Minority chose not to and yet he nowhere condemns them.

Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Sam 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate unBLED meat to not starve and no verses show God not forgiving them. Christ says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread and that God wants Mercy Not Sacrifice. (Mt 12) The May 22, 1994 Awake tells of 26 JW kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org. About 3 JWs die daily earthwide from the unscriptural policy! (Blood On The Altar by David Reed) Yet most normal identical twins transfuse whole blood to each other through a shared placenta and childrens' whole blood is sometimes found in mothers years after birth.

WTS says Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why ignore counting back 9 months for normal conception or genetic-level birth means he was born in late December? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3 says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all 3 verses to see day of birth is meant. At Luke 2 angels themselves celebrated Christ's birth. Santa is from Saint Nicholas, an actual red-robed Christian gift-giving elder of the Middle Ages, not a wizard or pagan god. The word Easter may as easily be from the Anglo-Saxon word eastern (Christianity came from East of England) as from the goddess Eastre, the eggs as likely from the Jewish passover egg as from paganry, common sense saying early Christians more likely using eggs and rabbits to symbolize the hope for new life by resurrection than as vesiges of pagan fertility or sex rites!

Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless pranks coming from Ireland where maybe or maybe not taken from pagans even as wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Why does the WTS call compromises holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Colossians 2:16 says let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths? WTS calls a cross a repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in it as a symbol of resurrection over death. (Ga 6:14, 1Cor 1:17-18) They say it was a stake but human remains and inscriptions show archaeologists the stauros was a cross not stake, Dr F Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but in hours if on outstretched cross per Lu 23:44 and Mat 27:45-6, and the word stauros can mean not just stake but cross.

Although almost only the United Pentecostals and a few related groups teach that Jesus is God Almighty (Jehovah) Himself, WTS says the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are one "identical" person and falsely say most all Protestant and Catholic churches teach that, even though the fact is that most all other Protestant and Catholic groups accept the trinity idea as being three totally different entities or persons always from when time started forming one "Godship" as Romans 1:20 says, and with Son and Spirit sharing inherited age, power, knowledge from God remindful of how an acorn may be only one day old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity and information!
Members are told report on each other although the Bible condemns busy-bodying. Nor are regular JWs allowed to read Judicial Committee "sin files" on themselves, many not knowing they exist often with misinformation and kept at Brooklyn's Bethel headquarters even if destroyed locally after seven years. Page 232 in the Insight book shows a picture of the Pay Attention To Yourselves And All The Flock book that elders have but do not allow non-elders to read. Page 302 in the Daniel book and pages 88 and 651 in the Proclaimers book show photos of the Knights Templar swords and the cross-with-crown-and-wreath used by Masons who sometimes use "Theocratic Warfare" tactics to change members' personalities on early WTS literature. Not surprisingly with the pedophile and other scandals, many good JWs have also complained of visual and electronic spying and harassment, including physically! Some old WT books also have the winged sun god Ra on front covers - never a Christian symbol.

Many Jehovah's Witnesses staying JWs are cutting time and money given the WTS which is declared "apostate" by silentlambs.org for endangering children, the secret U.N. liason etc. Many exJWs meet for fun ( http://exjw.meetup.com/ ), get a newsletter from a "Free Christians" fellowship united by love which is greater than forced same beliefs (Col 3:14, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian/), join a church etc. This was written out of love for our JW families and friends as well as the public's - yours too! Please help out silentlambs.org (1 877-WT-ABUSE) in fighting for the children by making and distributing more copies today!